Industry Dive’s path to $100m in revenue
CEO Sean Griffey is proving niche doesn't mean small
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This week’s episode of The Rebooting Show features a conversation I had with one of my favorite media success stories: Industry Dive, a collection of vertical industry sites. Sean and his team have grown Industry Dive into an example of a sturdy media business, on pace to break the $100 million in revenue mark next year with healthy margins. One request: If you listen to The Rebooting Show on Apple Podcasts, please leave a rating and review. Thanks to Alfred Westcott, who left a very nice review that ranked me “one of the best interviewers in media.”
Industry Dive is one of the most successful modern digital media businesses, even if it doesn’t get the attention of splashy consumer titles.
Sean Griffey, who founded Industry Dive in 2012 along with Ryan Willumson and Eli Dickenson, doesn’t mind flying under the radar compared to splashy consumer brands while Industry Dive focuses on industry verticals like retail, marketing, utilities and more.
“This is a better business. It’s great you’re targeting millennial fashion consumers, but I’m in the electric utilities space and that matters to everyone. The industries we write about touch every person. I leaned into the boring part because I know it’s important. You call it boring, I call it profitable.”
It helps that Sean has receipts.
2.5 million email subscriptions
$85 million in revenue this year, $100 million expected next year
EBITDA margins above 25%
Here are key takeaways from our conversation:
For all the talk of vision, the media business is an execution game. Industry Dive began in 2012 with a handful of publications and the idea that it would differentiate by providing a better user experience, focusing on the right industries, and sticking to what the team knew best.
“We thought there would be a chance to use the mobile experience to differentiate ourselves. We wanted to invest heavily in design. In business media it was pretty horrific. We wanted to invest in content. We thought niche media had abandoned that for leads over time.”
The power of niche
Scale and niche aren’t in opposition as often presented. But many digital media companies born around the time of Industry Dive took a different path. They focused more on general news audiences instead of specific areas. Industry Dive developed a formula for targeting industry sectors.
Industries changing rapidly due to tech and/or regulation
High capital spending
A buy and a sell side
Evidence of a vibrant market in the form of competing publications and trade shows
“There’s real value in 100,000 incredibly targeted, valuable people. In each of these markets, you could create a $10-20 million business, just marketing supported. But if you wanted a $500 million business, you had to do it a lot. For us it was how do you build a scaled niche business.”
Email is more than just a delivery mechanism
Email is the lifeblood of B2B media, allowing a direct connection to an audience – and a way to collect relevant information to understand the audience better. That’s why Industry Dive email subscribers can have a lifetime value of of hundreds of dollars.
“It’s a platform you own and nobody can take away. More importantly, it’s a push platform. There are very few things you can push to audiences vs pull, where they come to you. Email is also personally identifiable. You can start tying behaviors to that profile. It’s a unique platform for media that you can’t do from a website, a podcast or an app.”
Ads are still a great media business model
For all the talk about subscriptions and commerce models, the most successful media business model remains advertising. With highly valuable audience segments and a trove of data about these audiences, Industry Dive’s revenues come almost entirely from marketing budgets.
“We knew there was a lot of money there. It felt like people abandoned marketing at one point. There was this notion that you couldn’t support a media business on advertising. We just felt they were doing it wrong and the pendulum was going to swing back.”
For more on Industry Dive, check out this recent interview Sean did with Press Gazette.
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